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Posted: Apr 12th, 2011 at 11:30 am
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Hi Spacecanada-
I just saw your post and I am not sure if your are still in California, but I would encourage you to visit http://www.Allergyeats.com for some great suggestions on allergy-friendly restaurants. If you're not familiar with AllergyEats, it's the leading online resource for finding allergy-friendly restaurants.
One restaurant chain that might be a good option for you is P.F. Chang's. While the Long Beach location hasn't been reviewed yet, the chain has a very high AllergyEats allergy-friendliness rating (4.6 out of 5.0). I also noticed that it has a vegetarian menu so that might be a good option for you.
Once you get home from your trip I'd really appreciate it if you would take a few minutes to visit Allergyeats and rate some of the restaurants you visited on your vacation, whether it was a good experience or bad! You only have to answer 3 questions so it only takes a minute, but it really helps the whole community!
Enjoy the rest of your trip!
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I'm moving the original post here, since the post is partly on-topic help and partly link-placement (and therefore advertisement under the site's ToS, albeit on-topic advertisement).
In other words, Rebekah and I both feel that this is probably skirting the edge of 'solicitation' by another website/agency, which WOULD be a violation of our site's ToS.
I'll paste the on-topic portion back in the original thread as a quote.
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May 5th, 2011 at 10:30 pm, AEPaul wrote:
They say that necessity is the mother of invention, but in the case of AllergyEats <link removed for compliance with FAS terms of service> the fastest growing source for finding allergy-friendly restaurants, it was Boston father Paul Antico that was inspired to take action. Antico, the father of five children – three of whom have severe food allergies – had a series of frustrating experiences dining in restaurants with his food-allergic sons, as some establishments wouldn’t prepare meals without dairy, nuts, eggs and his kids’ other “trigger foods.”
Antico realized that some restaurants were extremely accommodating, while others weren’t, and there was no way to know in advance which establishments would prepare meals that his sons could eat. He also realized that other food-allergic families were facing similar challenges. His solution: AllergyEats, a free website that provides valuable peer-based feedback about how well (or poorly) restaurants accommodate the needs of food-allergic customers.
Most restaurant review sites include information about establishments’ food, ambiance or service, but AllergyEats is singularly focused on food allergies, with peer reviews spotlighting where people with food allergies or intolerances have more comfortably eaten.
AllergyEats lists well over 600,000 restaurants nationwide, which food allergic diners can rate. The site also offers information on restaurants’ menus (including gluten-free menus), allergen lists, nutrition information, certifications, web links, directions and more.
“As a parent of food allergic children, it’s important to know in advance whether a restaurant can accommodate my kids’ unique food requirements. AllergyEats provides a forum where food-allergic families can exchange feedback and view information about restaurants across the street and across the country,” said Paul Antico, Founder of AllergyEats.
To rate a restaurant, users are encouraged to answer three simple questions about each of their dining experiences, which takes less than a minute. Then, the answers are compiled into an objective “allergy-friendliness rating” that provides at-a-glance information about the “allergy friendliness” of specific restaurants. There’s also a section for written comments, which focuses specifically on food-allergy related information.
AllergyEats is searchable by geographic location, and includes maps and driving directions to restaurants nationally.
A number of highly-respected food, health and allergy organizations and experts endorse AllergyEats, including the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America, Gluten Intolerance Group, the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, and Chef/Advocate Ming Tsai.
“AllergyEats combines the best of Internet technology with peer-to-peer feedback to help people select restaurants that cater to individuals with food allergies – and to avoid the ones that won’t accommodate their needs,” Antico continued. “It’s exciting to see how well the food allergy community is galvanizing around AllergyEats. They understand the value of the site’s ratings and comments, which represents real experiences from real people.”
Antico recently quit his job as a successful mutual fund manager to become a passionate advocate for food allergy issues. In addition to starting AllergyEats, he serves on the Board of Directors of the Asthma & Allergy Foundation of America, as well as its New England Chapter.
“I know from experience how frustrating, scary and even maddening food allergies can be. People with food allergies must be vigilant at all times, whether they’re at school, a birthday party or dining out at a restaurant,” Antico continued. “I realized that other food-allergic families were facing similar challenges, and I started AllergyEats to be a valuable resource for the millions of people in the food allergy and intolerance community.”
Since its February, 2010 launch, AllergyEats has exploded in popularity, growing to tens of thousands of users each month, demonstrating that the site meets a huge need within the food allergy community. AllergyEats has also experienced a tremendous surge of interest on its social media sites, with thousands of food-allergic “fans” regularly sharing ideas, recommendations and feedback on Facebook, Twitter and the popular AllergyEats Blog <link removed for compliance with FAS terms of service> Interest in AllergyEats has been accelerating dramatically as word spreads virally about the service AllergyEats provides to the food-allergic community.
For more information, please visit <link removed for compliance with FAS terms of service>
Note from Committee & FAS Admin: Redundant, Commercial threads Merged to conform with TOS.
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Posted: May 11th, 2011 at 10:07 am
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GREAT NEW PROMOTION AT ALLERGYEATS
Today, the AllergyEats Great Gift Card Giveaway begins!!!
For details on this new promotion, which will run for AT LEAST 20 weeks and will give out a $20-50 gift card each week, read our release at <link removed for compliance with FAS terms of service>
...or just go to our home page at <link removed for compliance with FAS terms of service>to see the first contest.
Good luck!
Paul
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Posted: May 11th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
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That seems like an amazing give away!
How does this business model work? Is this service expected to remain free to users? For how long? If you have advertisers as a revenue source, then how can people trust that your ratings aren't biased in favor of them? It seems like this must be expensive to run, especially when you are giving stuff away. I guess it helps that you get to build content for free when members rate restaurants. I wonder if there is any way to prevent an angry person from damaging the reputation of a restaurant using the site, though. Couldn't they just sign up using a bunch of bogus e-mail accounts? In fact, couldn't a restaurant owner do that, too?
Is the warning because of TOS violations? Just curious.
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Posted: May 11th, 2011 at 02:11 pm
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Hi Figgy -
Thank you for your nice comments about the giveaway. We're extremely excited about this and some other great news we have in the pipeline.
And yes, the Warning under my name is due to TOS violations. Let me not hide from providing details. When I recently found these boards, I was referring people who were asking questions about the allergy-friendliness of specific restaurants to consult AllergyEats, and I attached a link. I truly believe members would like to know about the service AllergyEats provides, so even after a few (what looked like automated) wanings, I continued to post these links. I never contacted the admins here to discuss. So after one too many, they rightly took action. You'll notice in the last post that they again removed my links (though I will say that in this case, I believe I was told I COULD put links on THIS one board - obviously, I might be mistaken). I'm hoping to work this out amicably with FAS as I have great appreciation for what these boards provide and I also believe that AllergyEats is a great resource that FAS members would want to know about.
In any case, in lieu of the links, to find the details of the promotion, one can either go to the AllergyEats Blog or click on the Press Releases section of the main AllergyEats site. A link to the actual contest is prominent on the AllergyEats site as well.
Getting to your questions. The "business model" currently is all costs, self-incurred. Yes, it is expensive, but it is an investment. I have a future revenue plan in place, but it will NOT involve payments from users. I plan to keep the site free to users forever. I hope to at least breakeven some day if not start to make a little money back, but for now goal #'s 1, 2, 3... are to provide a great service to users.
I don't have restaurant advertisers at the moment, though I obviously do have three gift card donors. Why would a restaurant support us without a quid pro quo, you ask? These restaurants are so confident in their food allergy-friendliness that they want to put their name out in front of diners, extremely confident that they'll receive good ratings. One restaurant is even handing AllergyEats cards with the check to food allergy parties. The beauty, as the President of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association pointed out in an interview, is that restaurant don't have to tout their allergy-friendliness themselves (which some of their lawyers fear) - AllergyEats' peer ratings do that for them.
The integrity of the allergy-friendliness ratings is the core of AllergyEats. If I were to compromise that, then what's the point. You'll note that the current gift card donors ALREADY had strong ratings. That's why I contacted them, not the other way around. I wouldn't contact, for example, Applebee's as I think that it would be a disservice to the community, based on the community's own comments.
Part of the eventual revenue model does involve ads from restaurants, but again my expectation is that those who are strong in dealing with food-allergic patrons will want to get that word out. And the revenue model goes well beyond just ads and just restaurants. Again, however, to compromise the integrity of the database is simply not an option.
Your questions about "ratings fraud" from an individual or restaurateur are spot on. We studied this issue closely before launcing and have built safeguards into the system to alert us to any such issue. You'll understand if I don't elaborate. But again, note the extremely high sensitivity to the integrity of the data, which you obviously recognize as well.
I hope I answered all of your questions and addressed, as honestly as I could, the disappointing Warning under my name. If I didn't address everything, please feel free to reply.
In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the Great Gift Card Giveaway (and other specials that will periodically come up on the site, such as the Allergy Apparel free shipping)! With all of these giveaways and specials, we don't ask for any compensation - we ask for all savings to be passed onto our users.
Best, Paul
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So you are saying that you have taken steps to prevent fraudulent ratings, but that you won't say what those steps are exactly. Is that right? We'll just have to take your word for it that the ratings can't be manipulated, then.
I'd like to hear more about your vision for the future of your site. It sounds pretty expansive. Will it eventually include ratings for grocery stores and other places, too? I saw that you had recipes and tips posted there already. I'm pretty sure that I've read some of the tips here or at Kids with Food Allergies before. Are you posting there, too? I know that they would be just as interested.
I'm not understanding this business about admins and warnings. Is this a computer thing, maybe? I don't understand a lot of the internet stuff. So you are saying that you were directing members from here to post on your site, knowing that this violated the terms of service here? Or that you kept posting links after you were told to stop? Aren't you worried that you'll be considered a spammer? What does the warning mean?
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May 11th, 2011 at 02:11 pm, AEPaul wrote:
Hi Figgy -
Thank you for your nice comments about the giveaway. We're extremely excited about this and some other great news we have in the pipeline.
And yes, the Warning under my name is due to TOS violations. Let me not hide from providing details. When I recently found these boards, I was referring people who were asking questions about the allergy-friendliness of specific restaurants to consult AllergyEats, and I attached a link. I truly believe members would like to know about the service AllergyEats provides, so even after a few (what looked like automated) wanings, I continued to post these links. I never contacted the admins here to discuss. So after one too many, they rightly took action. You'll notice in the last post that they again removed my links (though I will say that in this case, I believe I was told I COULD put links on THIS one board - obviously, I might be mistaken). I'm hoping to work this out amicably with FAS as I have great appreciation for what these boards provide and I also believe that AllergyEats is a great resource that FAS members would want to know about.
In any case, in lieu of the links, to find the details of the promotion, one can either go to the AllergyEats Blog or click on the Press Releases section of the main AllergyEats site. A link to the actual contest is prominent on the AllergyEats site as well.
Getting to your questions. The "business model" currently is all costs, self-incurred. Yes, it is expensive, but it is an investment. I have a future revenue plan in place, but it will NOT involve payments from users. I plan to keep the site free to users forever. I hope to at least breakeven some day if not start to make a little money back, but for now goal #'s 1, 2, 3... are to provide a great service to users.
I don't have restaurant advertisers at the moment, though I obviously do have three gift card donors. Why would a restaurant support us without a quid pro quo, you ask? These restaurants are so confident in their food allergy-friendliness that they want to put their name out in front of diners, extremely confident that they'll receive good ratings. One restaurant is even handing AllergyEats cards with the check to food allergy parties. The beauty, as the President of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association pointed out in an interview, is that restaurant don't have to tout their allergy-friendliness themselves (which some of their lawyers fear) - AllergyEats' peer ratings do that for them.
The integrity of the allergy-friendliness ratings is the core of AllergyEats. If I were to compromise that, then what's the point. You'll note that the current gift card donors ALREADY had strong ratings. That's why I contacted them, not the other way around. I wouldn't contact, for example, Applebee's as I think that it would be a disservice to the community, based on the community's own comments.
Part of the eventual revenue model does involve ads from restaurants, but again my expectation is that those who are strong in dealing with food-allergic patrons will want to get that word out. And the revenue model goes well beyond just ads and just restaurants. Again, however, to compromise the integrity of the database is simply not an option.
Your questions about "ratings fraud" from an individual or restaurateur are spot on. We studied this issue closely before launcing and have built safeguards into the system to alert us to any such issue. You'll understand if I don't elaborate. But again, note the extremely high sensitivity to the integrity of the data, which you obviously recognize as well.
I hope I answered all of your questions and addressed, as honestly as I could, the disappointing Warning under my name. If I didn't address everything, please feel free to reply.
In the meantime, I hope you enjoy the Great Gift Card Giveaway (and other specials that will periodically come up on the site, such as the Allergy Apparel free shipping)! With all of these giveaways and specials, we don't ask for any compensation - we ask for all savings to be passed onto our users.
Best, Paul
As a long term member here and a person known for my unwavering & often critical eye for detail and hardhitting questions, I'm going to quote this post and work through my questions about AllergyEats, bit by bit.
It may take me awhile to work through all of this, to include much of the additional research I'd already done as to AllergyEats some months ago when the site was a budding idea and had already been posted about here (last year? -- I'd have to search to pull up those links, and I will as I always do) when you had signed in originally and posted your links and announcements as a guest.
Just an FYI: while I am currently sitting on Committee, I am (as are all Committee Members and Admin) first and foremost a MEMBER here.
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http://www.parentdish.com/2010/06/20/amazing-dad-paul-antico/
From that link, my bold green added to highlight certain passages I found interesting and/or informative:
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"I thought, 'Wouldn't it be nice when you go to a travel destination to immediately know where the places are that we'd have a better chance of having a comfortable experience?'" Paul recalls.
Since nothing existed, he decided to create the guide himself. Serendipitously, about a week after he began the arduous task of figuring out exactly how to create such a guide, he met the executive director of the New England Chapter for the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA). The timing couldn't have been more ideal. He had the idea, the passion, the energy and the drive, but he didn't have a model or a connection in the field. She went on to become Paul's mentor of sorts, offering advice and support throughout the process. He has since joined the board of her organization.
That process, which entailed, "Putting the idea together, getting consultations, hiring developers and figuring out where to get the data of all the restaurants," took him 20 months. "When I first started out, I thought I was going to do the development on my own and soon realized I was so far out of my league it was ridiculous," says Paul.
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Recognition: AllergyEats has been endorsed by the Massachusetts Restaurant Association and the Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America (AAFA). It was also an Editor's Pick on Best Allergy Sites.
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Paul's Best Advice: "Take time during the development phase to make sure you get it right. Think about how the user will react to it. When I'm looking for feedback I don't want to hear how great it is; I'm really looking for the criticism. A lot of people are reluctant because I've taken a lot of time to build it, but the site was really built on a lot of constructive criticism. I knew what the ultimate goal was and I stayed true to that, but the path to get there adjusted a little bit as people had better ideas than I did. There's no way one person has the monopoly on great ideas. Plan far in advance, find some experts and incorporate their opinions."
Paul,
I'm having a really hard time comprehending an official endorsement for a commercial venture from a non-profit organization, especially one on whose board of directors you currently sit.
It seems highly unusual.
Perhaps you can expand on this?
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ETA -- AAFA's Bylaws (2008) Page 9 or so?
http://www.aafa.org/pdfs/Signed_AAFA_ByLaws_5-17-2008.pdf
If there is more current version and anyone has link, please feel free to provide here.
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Posted: May 11th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
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ajasfolks2 -
Thank you for your blunt honesty in saying you have an unwavering and often critical eye for detail and enjoy asking hardhitting questions. As a former financial analyst, I share these traits. So the question is: will I be afforded the same courtesy if I bluntly say that it is amazing, and clearly by no means coincidental, that so many admins here (with their admin name or separate member name) have been going after me, trying to discredit AllergyEats, since the Terms of Service disagreement, which I have been attempting to resolve?
Nevertheless, AllergyEats is an amazing service that most food-allergic individuals who learn about it love, so I will not back off any questions - whether asked genuinely or disengenuously.
So let me start with "figgy's" questions.
1) Of course I won't say how I prevent fraudulent ratings. That would be like a bank giving away the key to the vault? If I shared how we do it, that would open the door to the very fraud you and I both don't want.
Let's say that Hyperboards wanted to prevent people - internal or external - from using multiple usernames... hypothetically of course. Would they tell the world how they prevent it?
How does Yelp do it? They claim "Proprietary algorithms." Trust them?
2) So yes, you have to take my word for it. You have to take the word of someone who has created a service endorsed by the Asthma & Allergy Foundation of America, the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, the Gluten Intolerance Group, Chef Ming Tsai ("father of the Massachusetts food allergy law"), and many others. We are all in this together - trying to help ourselves or our children dine out comfortably. (Interesting that you're critical of "taking my word for it," yet you are willing to rely on an anonymous message board site for info. ajasfolk2, is your "critical eye" rolling?)
3) The vision of the site is very expansive. Many different directions it can go. Currently, however, getting individuals involved in rating U.S. restaurants is daunting enough. You are incorrect about my having recipes on the site, however I do share Dining Tips from many different experts in our community.
4) Glad you brought up KFA. I have a great relationship with Lynda Mitchell, founder of Kids With Food Allergies. She is a wonderful colleague (in that we're both trying to help the same community) and a great supporter of AllergyEats and me personally. I have the utmost respect for the amazing service KFA provides. Their food allergy message boards are second to none for finding valuable allergy-related information. I highly recommend them!
5) I think you understand as much about admins and warnings as I do. I described my experience as openly and honestly as possible, and to the best of my understanding. I'm still awaiting admin replies to my emails requesting clarification.
6) I have no fear of ever being considered a spammer. AllergyEats is an amazing service being widely embraced by the food allergy community. Again, I would point to all the endorsements and articles about AllergyEats (articles on are the site under the link 'AllergyEats in the News') that wouldn't be written about a service that wasn't authentic, vetted, and trusted.
A spammer wouldn't return after a 'Warning,' at least not publishing under the same name. Spammers don't return, though if they did, they'd probably change their username so others wouldn't realize who they were. I imagine that if they could change their status as a member or admin, they'd probably do that too.
Spammers also often try to discredit legitimate web sites (e.g. eBay, PayPal, Amazon) for their own personal and nefarious reasons.
ajasfolks2 - let me address your questions. (Though let me also thank you for doing such deep research. It surprised me that someone would take the time to study a service so carefully!)
1) Why is it odd for a non-profit to endorse a (technically) for-profit? Most of my endorsements (linked on the AllergyEats home page) are non-profits.
Specific to AAFA-NE and AAFA, I was asked to join their Boards AFTER their endorsements. I'm surprised that didn't show up in your research, given the date stamps on everything. This sequence shouldn't be a surprise - a Board doesn't ask someone to join BEFORE they've demonstrated their commitment and value to that Board's constituency.
2) I don't understand the green highlight saying that I was out of my league when I started out. I had never started a venture like this before. The learning curve was ridiculously steep.
3) Yes, I love criticism over applause, but maybe I should've said "constructive" criticism that is designed to help me learn something valuable, not a firing squad to "settle a score"... hypothetically, of course.
4) I also don't understand the highlight on that last line.
Anyway, thanks for the opportunity to further explain AllergyEats. We going another round?
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Posted: May 12th, 2011 at 11:04 am
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Okay. I'm not understanding. Was that directed at me? I was just trying to understand.
You are right with trust, when it comes to food though I don't like secrets. I hear things like that from food companies too when they don't think I have any right to know about whether or not they use shared lines. I didn't like it when the teachers tell me that I should just trust them to feed my son, either.
Sorry I was wrong about recipes on the site. I probably was thinking about POFAK. I'm really confusd that Paul says he's being attacked here. I've not seen that anywhere. Maybe I missed it? I read alot but I don't see everythng. I should probably read the terms of service again. Maybe they have changed.
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Posted: May 12th, 2011 at 11:55 am
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The attempts to discredit the reputation of AllergyEats, and my hard work specifically, have been peppered in various folders on these boards, not just here. No one appreciates their hard work being unfairly attacked, particularly by individuals who hide under one or more pseudonyms, when we're all supposed to be working toward the same common goal of making life better for those with food allergies.
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May 11th, 2011 at 02:11 pm, AEPaul wrote:
You'll notice in the last post that they again removed my links (though I will say that in this case, I believe I was told I COULD put links on THIS one board - obviously, I might be mistaken).
I'm a little confused. I can see the problem when AEPaul was posting on the other boards, but I thought that he was allowed to post in the commercial section as he mentioned above. I have some reservations about his web site, but he doesn't seem like a spammer in the traditional sense. Could the banning be explained a little better?
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May 29th, 2011 at 09:05 am, LinksEtc wrote:
May 11th, 2011 at 02:11 pm, AEPaul wrote:
You'll notice in the last post that they again removed my links (though I will say that in this case, I believe I was told I COULD put links on THIS one board - obviously, I might be mistaken).
I'm a little confused. I can see the problem when AEPaul was posting on the other boards, but I thought that he was allowed to post in the commercial section as he mentioned above. I have some reservations about his web site, but he doesn't seem like a spammer in the traditional sense. Could the banning be explained a little better?
An official warning may be issued if communications regarding TOS violations are ignored. Members may be banned after an official warning if the Committee Members and Administrators agree that the member has shown a clear unwillingness to comply with the site's terms of service, through a pattern of posting/communications indicating that future violations are either very likely, or even intended.
It is difficult when a valued FAS member with a food allergy-related product, service, and/or for-profit business violates the site's terms of service with repeated posts which consist of links to the business website and/or materials of a solely (self-)promotional nature. This is distinct from any individual who posts in a professional capacity in response to member questions or concerns, which is, as always, welcomed by this community. Those responses generally demonstrate a sincere desire to address concerns/questions, not to deflect them with more self-promotion, nor to castigate FAS members who ask such questions or express individual dissenting opinions.
When a userID is used exclusively for the repeated promotion of a for-profit business here at FAS, then the nature of that business is somewhat irrelevent, as is the location of repeated links/posts (link farming). It's a clear violation of the terms of service to plaster FAS with free advertising, whether or not the good or service is one that the community might appreciate. If such a member cannot or will not abstain from such posts after warnings and assistance from the site Committee Members and Administrators, then a ban is unfortunately the only remaining solution.
Due to the need to enforce the site's TOS via editing of non-compliant posts and/or removal of duplicate posts, such repeated violations may not always remain obvious to members. Because of the confidential nature of communications with/regarding individual members, specific situations involving individual members at FAS can't be discussed by Committee Members or Administrators.
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I know technically he could be banned from FAS because he was warned and then continued to post in the non-commercial sections of the board. However, from the below quote on 5/11 he said he misunderstood the rules and was then indicating he would comply:
May 11th, 2011 at 02:11 pm, AEPaul wrote:
Hi Figgy -
And yes, the Warning under my name is due to TOS violations. Let me not hide from providing details. When I recently found these boards, I was referring people who were asking questions about the allergy-friendliness of specific restaurants to consult AllergyEats, and I attached a link. I truly believe members would like to know about the service AllergyEats provides, so even after a few (what looked like automated) wanings, I continued to post these links. I never contacted the admins here to discuss. So after one too many, they rightly took action. You'll notice in the last post that they again removed my links (though I will say that in this case, I believe I was told I COULD put links on THIS one board - obviously, I might be mistaken). I'm hoping to work this out amicably with FAS
From 5/11 (when he made that above post) until when he was banned, I don't see as a member (maybe the committee/admins know more) where he violated the TOS. He indicated he was trying to abide by TOS from that point on, and it just seems un-FAS-like to ban him at that point. Did he post a promotion ouside of the commercial section after that 5/11 post?
Jun 4th, 2011 at 07:05 am, Hermes wrote:
Those responses generally demonstrate a sincere desire to address concerns/questions, not to deflect them with more self-promotion, nor to castigate FAS members who ask such questions or express individual dissenting opinions.
I really can see the tension ...
- He was getting asked hard questions, and facing skepticism from members here. It's clear to me that members were worried about the safety of the FA community. In fact, if he did post here again, I might put something in his signature that FAS has safety concerns about his site and refer to the 2 or so threads where those hard question were being asked and answered ... I'm not sure if that would fit with TOS - I'd have to read them again - but I can also see the liability concern from a FAS standpoint.
- My suspicion is that he really is trying to help the FA community, and maybe make money in the future. He is a FA dad, he cares about his kids, and others with FA. His posts answering questions might be seen as insulting in places, but I don't think he crossed any lines there. The criticisms of his site were probably hard for him to hear, but you've got to have thick skin when you go public with something like this ... and we also have to have thick skin here, which usually we do.
Are the admins/committee sure the right thing to do is ban him?
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